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[Alexandr Korol]

I just spoke with Big Alexander. I simply told him what I’m working on, what I’m doing. And I told him that right now I’m making a conclusion for the eighth volume of “Alternative History”, dividing this conclusion into three parts. The first part is the exit from Mara, to share even more with people what it is, how I left it, and where I went. And when we were discussing all this, I said to him:

— Alexander, I don’t understand why everywhere they use different words to mean, as I understand it, the same thing. So, on Saturday Jesus descended not to the underworld, as they write, but to hell. But where was I just now, where I came out from? From hell or from the underworld? Or are they really the same? And why is the underworld always mixed up with the realm of the dead? They are different.
— Different. Just beneath the underworld, that is even further down, there is the realm of the dead. But these are different. And hell... Well, yes, people call it hell, but hell or the underworld, whatever you call it, it still divides into many levels — there are a whole bunch of these worlds.

And he gave an example, saying:

— Here is the ladder to enlightenment; when people climb upward seeking enlightenment, they reach the eleventh step and don’t finish the ladder — they fall down into a mirrored, opposite ladder, downward into the underworld. And there is the same hierarchy. The underworld, yes, is a whole world where there are sinful people, in darkness, all in hell, and the realm of the dead — it’s all one, but divided into these worlds. You are dividing everything correctly — he emphasized that. Then I asked him:

— Okay, and I don’t understand — when did I enter the underworld? A year ago when I started studying this? Or four years ago, because I feel like it was even earlier?
— Alex, you entered that underworld when you were 18, long ago. You just didn’t understand or realize it then. You had to go through that whole world, the entire cycle, to complete it.